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2015 Races - Page 3 - Buggy Alumni Association

2015 Races

LSDC
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Re: 2015 Races

Postby LSDC » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:32 pm

Does anyone know what happened with Spirit A? In their finals race they DQed because the pusher was not touching the bar at the line. I heard they got a reroll because there might have been pusher interference from CIA on the back hills. They rerolled and went 3 seconds slower. I heard that the judges determined that there was no pusher interference from CIA and their reroll thus did not count and they were awarded their original (faster) time. I then heard that they were awarded a trophy when they should have been DQed for not touching the pushbar at the line in their original finals run.
Does anyone know what the real story is here?

Ben
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Re: 2015 Races

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:41 pm

Sweepstakes missed it and they are taking back the trophy for Spirit. Apparently no one brought it up at chairmen's and no one filed for the DQ so they didn't review it. Also the line judge dropped the ball and didn't mark it down. Everyone's a little at fault in this one.

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Carl Nott
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Organization: Spirit
Graduation Year: 1998
Real Name: Carl Nott
Location: Seattle

Re: 2015 Races

Postby Carl Nott » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:20 pm

I just find that so odd. When I was head judge (like, 15 years ago) there were Sweepstakes Alumni there who were like 'Okay, we have X many judges, the places we usually put them are here here and here, your job is to gather protests, render judgement, watch for fouls, watch the pushbar at the end of hill 5, and verify the brake test'. I think I was given a packet with everything ready to go. If there has been breakdown on 'head judge prep' we should try to fix that.

PHG
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Joined: Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:22 pm
Organization: CIA
Graduation Year: 2015

Re: 2015 Races

Postby PHG » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:29 pm


shafeeq
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Re: 2015 Races

Postby shafeeq » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:56 pm

It sounds like we've said this for the last several years, but Sweepstakes in general seemed to be at the less "on-the-ball" and more "make things up as we go along" end of the spectrum, so it's not too surprising if judges prep was incomplete. Of course, it's been so long since a notably well-organized one that current students have no point of reference.

I too am uneasy about the precedent. Correcting a clerical error, like a typo'd time that results in placement change, seems like the right thing to do. Going back and reviewing footage days later to find uncaught violations to get the result you want is clearly not desireable. In this sport, there's no time pressure to make an instant judgement call - if anything's questionable, flag it for review and get it right. This isn't a "what's a football move?" ambigious decision, it is a black and white call that the judge missed (or missed recording) in real time.

It sucks for Spirit to have to return a trophy they thought they had, but it also sucks worse for Apex to not get the trophy they actually earned. Apex is probably busy enough racing to not pay attention and record every infraction that anybody ahead of them committed to make sure the judges noticed - that's the judge's/sweepstakes's job.

buggypusher
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Graduation Year: 2013

Re: 2015 Races

Postby buggypusher » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:13 pm


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McCue
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Organization: Sweepstakes
2nd Organization: KDR
Graduation Year: 2007
Real Name: Adam McCue
Location: New York, NY
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Re: 2015 Races

Postby McCue » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:32 pm

Frats can (for the most part) force people to participate until they become interested themselves. Removing frats not only removed a number of competitors (giving the event overall less prestige), but it also hurt the baseline level of rank-and-file involvement they guaranteed. A lot of those sleepy pledges would grow up to be chairmen or members of sweepstakes themselves.

The death of frats is worse for booth, though. I felt like I was walking through a sparsely populated favela. Can't wait for when they move it to the maggie mo parking lot and they're that much closer together. Next year's carnival theme: Kowloon Walled City!
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Carl Nott
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Re: 2015 Races

Postby Carl Nott » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:32 pm


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McCue
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Re: 2015 Races

Postby McCue » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:36 pm

I actually think sweepstakes did an incredible job this year. I mean, it was no 2006, but they had their act pretty much together.

Shout out to Elon & Dieser who tolerated like an email a week from me about some random story that happened before there were iPhones.

buggypusher
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Re: 2015 Races

Postby buggypusher » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:43 pm



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