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Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby orzalli » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:52 pm


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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby ahundt » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:10 pm

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby ahundt » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:40 pm

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby Carleton » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:06 pm


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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby penguin » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:38 pm

how many times has it happened since the rule was put in?
i know since 2001 that these are the only 2 incidents. Given that it has happened in back to back years it seems the ban should be more likely since no one seems to want to follow the rule. just because rules have not always been followed is not a reason not to enforce them. do people understand how dangerous this could have been. this is the only rule that is this severe and that is for a good reason. i don't think the exception should have been given last year nor do i think it should be given this time. stupid mistake or not, if we want people to not do this again, we need to make sure we enforce this punishment.

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby mr price » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:43 pm

First off, thanks to Andrew for posting your thoughts and reasoning here. It is appreciated.

With regards to the DQ:
No one here is questioning FMB's determination that the LP tank was in an unsafe place, and no one is blaming Sweepstakes for being met with a fire safety concern and making the decision they felt was right, as tough a call as it was.

What is paramount here is that there was no intent to break the rules by SDC, and SDC was not trying to create a competitive advantage by bringing it out. They were simply doing something nice for their pushers. Many teams and Sweepstakes have used them at rolls, and LP tanks are commonplace items, at millions of households across the country. While I know that this does not create proper grounds for them to outright assume that it would be acceptable to place it where they did on Raceday, it is simple to see how that could be overlooked given all the other pressures and responsibilities they had on Raceday. I know I didn't get home from Raceday and get rid of my propane grill. I fired it up and cooked a steak.

In light of the circumstances, I surely hope for the sake of SDC and of the sport that the 15 month DQ is dropped.

edit: I want to make it clear that I am not trying to make light of the situation. Obviously everyone's safety is the number 1 priority.
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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby billet » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:46 pm

Just watched the posted video of the SDC C team vs. Pika A. What a fantastic buggy organization SDC has become. And I never thought I would say that.

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby spagsRulz » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:48 pm

The rule is there to protect from the sliver of a chance that something horrible happens (and it would be horrible)... You can't just say, oh it's ok cause nothing bad happens so they won't get in trouble... What is that gonna open up to? In these types of situations, intent doesn't matter, you need to first consider the safety of every team in their trucks...

I don't really care what happens, but all I am hearing here are SDC people trying to justify what they did... IMHO they should just admit they were wrong and ask for forgiveness, and take a punishment if that is what is decided...

These rules were written for a reason, and if they are not going to be followed then they really don't serve a purpose and sweepstakes will lose credibility...


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