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Game Changing Buggies

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Game Changing Buggies

Postby nbonaddio » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:47 pm

Just because I am curious and just because I don't feel like doing actual work today, can someone who is more historically knowledgeable than I point out the specific buggies that ushered in a new era of design, or buggies that changed the game for an organization?

As far as KDR, Mort and Doh might be able to speak to this more, but I always felt that Penthus was a great one for us, which has generational descendants in Powder and then Polaris.

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Re: Game Changing Buggies

Postby lemuroid » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:00 pm

Lemur, 1982, was the first 3 wheeler to win in the modern era and thus a significant game changer (from 4 wheels to 3). PKA had a fast 3 wheeler the year before but it had chute difficulties and most were hesitant to copy that as it looked like a bad idea at the time. Gary Getz was both bold and crazy when he designed lemur.

Jama was the first fast reverse trike and triggered a host of orgs to move in that direction including PKA. Fringe and SDC had had reverse trikes before that but these could not get out of their own way. Jama was also prolific within the zoo as that mold spawned a host of buggies spanning almost 15 years. Skua being the first new shape.

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Re: Game Changing Buggies

Postby shafeeq » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:13 pm

Black Magic in '76 was, I believe, the first buggy to enclose all wheels within the main body of the buggy, for a significant drag savings which lives on in the last 20 years of Zoo buggies.

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Re: Game Changing Buggies

Postby shafeeq » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:27 pm

Which was the first of the "modern" Spirit buggies? Shaka?

I was always vaguely mystified by SDC's Rage, which while seemingly on the same pneumatic tires as Spirit & Fringe, reliably managed to have measurably faster rollouts. It seems to have served SDC quite well during the years when their latest designs left something to be desired. It's ancestor was, what, Escargot?

Fringe's Bachi, which was their first one that could do justice to their push teams of the 2000's, and started off their buggy-building frenzy.

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Re: Game Changing Buggies

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Re: Game Changing Buggies

Postby nbonaddio » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:47 pm


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Re: Game Changing Buggies

Postby TommyK » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:54 pm

mmm ... I don't think any of the modern Fringe buggies were 'gamechangers' ... the evolution is pretty fluid ... Brooklyn was a "we can use composites!" experiment ... Bachi was a "we can build a Spirit buggy!" moment, but we never built another standard... Bas(s)ketcase had most of the essential reverse tryke elements worked out ... Brazen was the first modern buggy to win on Polyurethane wheels? it's rear wheel configuration is the model for every future Fringe buggy, minus the rear brake ... Blackjack took composite and steering component refinement to a whole new plane ... Bantam/Banyan have the mad aero stylings and Y is just sick fast, someone told me a sub 51 freeroll from 2 to window 0? Inspired the Chimera/Nemesis knockoff look.
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Re: Game Changing Buggies

Postby the cook » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:59 pm

I think you could easily say that PiKA took serious design cues from Jama, and they also had fast small wheels. Zoo developed fast small wheels for Jama but PiKA already had them. The PiKA buggies were, let's say kindly, aesthetically challenged but they were fast and took several victories.

Few (none?) others had fast small wheels at the time so other's efforts to make a smooth body reverse trike looked pretty offensive

Spirit's Quantum Leap gets credit for being the first "unified body" aero molding in that it was readily apparent that the entire body was carved as one piece when making the plug mold. Though no lightweight, it definitely set a high standard for aero. PhiKap copied nearly directly.

Banyan has to be mentioned in that copyists went to work directly, and free roll times have been very impressive for that design.

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Re: Game Changing Buggies

Postby Stratis » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:10 pm

Since I couldn't be at carnival this year I don't know for sure, but would some of this have been included in Tom Wood's History of Buggy? Any chance a copy of that could be placed on this site somewhere?

I think this "HOF" type investigation is really interesting. I've always been intrigued by the way the sport has evolved and resulted in fairly distinct eras. Highlighting the people who helped bring those changes about - and the specific contributions they made - sounds like a really cool idea.

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Re: Game Changing Buggies

Postby lemuroid » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:11 pm



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