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1954 SN photos and story

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1954 SN photos and story

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Re: 1954 SN photos and story

Postby lemuroid » Wed May 19, 2010 6:40 pm

Terrific post. Zoo pride running strong at this moment.

1 I have no idea but I doubt it
2 There were 2 wheeled buggies in the 70s and 80s but they are banned in the late 80s over safety concerns
3 I have no idea
4 There are (still) 5 pushers, the one at the bottom of shenley drive now starts along the front of porter hall and is done within a few strides on the best teams

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Re: 1954 SN photos and story

Postby the cook » Thu May 20, 2010 11:44 am

Great story and pics.

Interestingly, you don't really have to move most of your body to maintain balance on a bike, but you do have to be able to move your arms freely to balance properly. Also the driver's head may have been tucked down much lower than without the body, and the lower the driver's head is, the more difficult balance becomes.

Altogether the story is similar to DU in 1988, who set a course record on the first day with a fully-faired two-wheeler (Spirit broke that record a few heats later), but then crashed heavily on Day two by the same wobble method. Their first day roll had what is likely the best roll-up ever, the hill 3 pusher did very little. The overall free roll time was good but not great.

That crash along with many others by DU, some involving injuries, led to the banning of two wheelers before 1989 year. The specter of a number of copy-cat orgs all crashing daily was too much to bear.

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Re: 1954 SN photos and story

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Re: 1954 SN photos and story

Postby BuggyBob » Sat May 22, 2010 8:06 am

A bit of interesting history.

SAE was really into '2-wheelers' when I took over as SAE's head Buggy Nerd in the early '70's.
We kicked ass, uphill. One of our 'un-faired' 2-wheelers' was named 'Arnold' - after Arnold Schwinn.
I was buggy chairman at SAE for several years when SAE was still using 2 wheelers; SAE was then 'into' bikes (2 wheelers) for many years, and was very competitive - Top 6 for many years.
The key was that they were super light (compared to 4 wheel buggies), and we could beat anyone up Hill 1 - thence the problemo begins.....
Here's the rub:
Our 2 wheelers where killers on hill 1 and 2. But then the buggies had to pass them during the free roll - the free roll speed of 2- wheelers was so-so, and the buggies had to pass them somewhere during the free roll.............
The bike driver could see what was happening, but the buggy driver(s) could not - hence possible danger. Hence, much griping by the '4-wheel buggy' teams.
Our 2-wheelers would corner well (in The Chute) and roll OK, but were a bitch to get started (Hill 1) and push off (Hill 2), without torquing them and causing an instant 'dump'.
So......we beat them all up Hill 1 and then played 'catch up' on Hills 3 + 4 + 5. Still, we got into the top 6, often
Bottom line is that 2-wheelers were deemed 'unsafe' (BS) - and - to be fair - and some 2- wheelers were very unstable when pushed - so SAE (during my generation in the early '70's) - slowly converted to 'real' buggies.
SAE's 2 wheelers were great in The Chute, but never got really hauling (reached terminal velocity right away just prior to The Chute) ) - forcing the 'real buggies' to pass them during a difficult moment.

A bit of history.

A guess - I'll bet that the ultimate ultimate buggy would be a 2-wheeler, especially is it had some sort of 'active' nerdoid stability control.
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Re: 1954 SN photos and story

Postby Carl Nott » Sat May 22, 2010 10:13 pm


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Re: 1954 SN photos and story

Postby BuggyBob » Sun May 23, 2010 3:25 am

* "I love the smell of solvents at Free Roll. It smells like......victory".
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Re: 1954 SN photos and story

Postby Carl Nott » Sun May 23, 2010 6:16 am

I'd like to think so since it's fairly wacky, hehe. Plus folks are allowed to store energy for brakes and retracting pushbars so I figure it should be okay. Now just need somebody to build the '3 wheels in line' buggy around the concept. ;)

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Re: 1954 SN photos and story

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Re: 1954 SN photos and story

Postby Carl Nott » Tue May 25, 2010 9:54 pm

To veer somewhat back towards reality. I recall hearing/reading that one of the main safety problems with 2-wheeled buggies was that in the event of a crash there was the possibility that another buggy could be speared by the pushbar since the 2-wheeler could come to a resting position where the pushbar was horizontal. A 3-wheel inline design should be rejected for this reason (in my opinion) and an outrigger design... would be questionable.


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