AAUSC winners and record holders

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  • TXDERBY on 2011-Nov-05 17:14:31 TXDERBY said

    In derby racing only the one fastest time of the one single annual championship event is noted. Note that the times beside the Akron track only list one fastest time per year (and only in the years records were set from the starting ramps location). This is also true for the AASBD official track records published often in the AASBD race day brochure (fastest heat for all years).

    In 2010 Jamie was 2nd and had a faster time than your third place car (which you take credit as one of the four fastest times set). In your case, fastest times were based upon the order of cars raced and not the actual race times (versus comparing fastest times at the end of the single event).

    With that said, your team, Jerry Pearson’s team, Jack Barr’s team, and the Zero Error team has all won the USC twice, often setting the track record (fastest time for that one championship event).

    Congrats are deserved for all four teams. Also note that the last three wins success is due, in part, to the Zero Error tire research program.

    Please also note that:

    *** Jerry Pearson's team dominated the early USC competitions winning the USC twice in 2004 and 2005 (setting the speed records both years).
    Jerry, to improve USC competition, assist his competitors in obtaining German pneumatic tries in the best interest of fairness and the success of the new USC sport.

    *** Jack Barr's team dominated the 2007 and 2008 USC races (times were not record setting due to ramp reconfiguration).

    Winning Teams (each with two wins)
    2004 Jerry Pearson's Team
    2005 Jerry Pearson's Team

    2006: Zero Error's Team
    2009: Zero Error's Team

    2007: Jack Barr's Team
    2008: Jack Barr's Team

    2010: Your Team
    2011: Your Team

    Record By Year
    2004: 27.190
    2005: 26.953
    2006: 26.934
    2007: N/A (ramp reconfiguration)
    2008: N/A (ramp reconfiguration)
    2009: 26.924
    2010: 26.844
    2011: 26.585

    2012 is a year that one of the four teams could be the first team to win the USC three times (fastest time may or may not be possible based upon the track race time condition) and it would not be surprising tp the derby world if one up and coming USC team wins its first championship (e.g. Carney).
  • the Pope on 2011-Nov-07 16:13:26 the Pope said

    Kevin,

    This is not a list of the fastest times. It provides, graphically, the winning times and track records in the history of the AA USC. (thus, the title and color code). If this were a list of fastest times, I think you would like it less: Jamie would not appear in the top 20 and our drivers would dominate the top of the list.

    Jim Overmyer (twice) and Kayla Albertoni get recognized as record setters as they have the distinction of having gone faster than anyone before them. This simple idea is used in the majority of sports. this method was used by the track announcer at the AA USC race this year, and is described as such on the All American Soap Box Derby official website.

    link: http://www.aasbd.org/media/13681/usc_2011_history.pdf

    "The 73rd (2010) AASBD Ultimate Speed Challenge, started quickly as Team Clean Sheet/Sigma Nu, with driver Jim Overmyer set the track record at 26.861 seconds in the opening heat. Several minutes later, Sheri Lazowski, also of Team Clean Sheet /Sigma Nu, lowered the record further to 26.844 seconds."

    It is possible that I have missed some record setters from 2004 through 2006. If you know of any, I would be glad to add them.
  • TXDERBY on 2011-Nov-07 17:37:10 TXDERBY said

    To make my point clearer, in 201 Jamie came in second and Jim Overmyer came in third. However your chart lists your two team member times in 2010 and not Jaime's.

    Your method of tracking USC success is very misleading and actually diminished the success of other USC teams (not just ZE).

    It is in the best interest of the USC to recognize fairly all teams accomplishments and not to selectively rearrange history to promote once teams success while diminishing other teams success (the text in my post makes this attempt).
  • the Pope on 2011-Nov-07 20:01:12 the Pope said

    I did not selectively rearrange history. This is how it went down at the track (see below) and how it is recognized by the official AA site.

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16196039

    time code 15:00 to 16:00 ( following Sheri's record run) gives this...

    "Holly Macerolandii,... 26.844 seconds was the track record, then it became 26.765 then 26.632...in the last heat, car number 905, lane 1, heres the time: 26.585, thats a blistering pace......so we have broken the track record now 3 times in the first round alone."

    Scoreboard.
  • TXDERBY on 2011-Nov-07 23:02:16 TXDERBY said

    In derby racing only the one fastest time of the one single annual championship event is noted. Note that the times beside the Akron track only list one fastest time per year (and only in the years records were set from the starting ramps location). This is also true for the AASBD official track records published often in the AASBD race day brochure (fastest heat for all years).

    In 2010 Jamie was 2nd and had a faster time than your third place car (which you take credit as one of the four fastest times set). In your case, fastest times were based upon the order of cars raced and not the actual race times (versus comparing fastest times at the end of the single event).

    To make my point clearer, in 201 Jamie came in second and Jim Overmyer came in third. However your chart lists your two team member times in 2010 and not Jaime's.

    Your method of tracking USC success is very misleading and actually diminished the success of other USC teams (not just ZE).

    --------------------------------------------------

    I guess you logic is like Sigma Nu's claims each year to have the fastest free rolls.
  • snarky anon on 2011-Nov-07 23:22:30 snarky anon said

    I love whenever an ultimate soapbox derby post comes up. I try to follow the arguments, but <a href="http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/meh.ro8398.jpg"> all I see is this! </a>
  • whoops on 2011-Nov-07 23:23:19 whoops said

    well that failed.

    lol how do I internet
  • Carl Nott on 2011-Nov-08 01:23:56 Carl Nott said

    I... think... if I were to make a buggy analogy to what I'm interpreting the debate to be about it would be something like:

    'For the Men's races in 2008 the record fell twice; on the first day SDC posted a 2:05.55 and on the second day PiKA posted a winning (record) time of 2:04.35.'

    This is true but somewhat misleading when viewed from a historical perspective. The former record was 2:06.2. During the weekend teams posted (in order) 2:05.55 (SDC), 2:06.09 (PiKA), 2:04.35 (PiKA), 2:04.50 (SDC). All of these times were faster than the record going into the weekend but because of the order in which they raced the record was only broken twice.

    Personally I lean more towards the 'harsher' interpretation...because it's the asshole thing to do. Who cares if SDC has 5 of the top 6 Men's times? They've only won Men's once, right?

    I suspect that soapbox derby is more touchy-feelie since it involves children. Read into that what you will.
  • TXDERBY on 2011-Nov-08 16:23:33 TXDERBY said

    Carl,

    You hit the nail on the preverbal head.

    But Mark's analysis is even worse. If a third place car ran before the eventual second place car first attempt (setting a record before the second place car went even faster) his chart would and in fact only shows the third place car (notice that the second place car is not on his chart but his team's 3rd place car is displayed). The order of the race should not be utilized to hide and diminish other teams success when the random order can be used to misrepresent the actual race outcomes (while exzerating one teams success over the others).
  • Carl Nott on 2011-Nov-08 17:38:16 Carl Nott said

    Kevin,

    From a buggy perspective Mark's interpretation would be the correct one, as it is the 'most asshole' way of expressing the results. Debating the merits of the graph when the graph is 'correct' from an asshole point of view is not the standard response. Acceptable responses (again, from a buggy perspective) could include:
    a) Posting a graph demonstrating how many bags of dicks SN racing can eat.
    b) Sleeping with one or more of their girlfriends.
    c) Stealing their driver.
    d) Breaking in to and pissing in their buggy room.
    e) Winning.

    Because I'm an artistically-challenged, fat, driver-endowed man with a nervous bladder I usually opt for option 'e'.
  • the cook on 2011-Nov-09 05:17:52 the cook said

    is there a "Best Response" button, because that sure as hell is it.

    and for the record, in my day I have done b,c,d,and e




    and I know where the ZE garage is, but their women are nasty
  • That guy. on 2011-Nov-09 10:29:13 That guy. said

    1.) post ONLY the official times.
    2.) let is interpret for ourselves
    3.) we decide we don't care about this competition at all
    4.) Pee on SDC's buggies
    5.) Sleep with Fringe's drivers
    7.) ?????
    8.) Profit!

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