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Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby hvincent » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:30 pm

If you add a like button, it is mandatory that you add a dislike button.
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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby Carleton » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:51 pm


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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby TommyK » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:13 pm

Propane is a pretty safe way to store a lot of energy. The tanks don't require a lot of pressure compare to LNG and burns at a slower rate than gasoline making it useful for home heating cooking and lighting. You guys seem pretty obsessed with the likelihood of an accident occurring caused by the use of the propane, but you keep ignoring the point of the rule and the basic concept of fire safety. Remove the fuel from the situation, and there is no danger. None. There is zero chance of a propane accident if there is no propane. It is avoidable by prevention and enforcement. Just like when there is a thunderstorm, you get the kids off the soccer field so there is no chance of someone being struck by lightning.

(did I just get through a post without name calling?)
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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby Carleton » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:23 pm


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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby mr price » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:24 pm

The point is not that propane is safe. FMB determined that it wasn't. Done deal.
The point is that you should not be judging the current SDC team on their decision to bring out a propane space heater. Maybe I'm biased, but I think the fact that they rolled 8 teams at prelims, qualified 6 of them (5 after the debated passing DQ), would likely have cleaned up at finals, were DQ'd before getting a chance to do so, and conducting themselves with the sportsmanlike character afterward says more about them.

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby Stratis » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:54 am

I think, based on Tommy and Carleton's desire to out-Google each other and learn about fire-related hazards, they have made a good case for the two of them serving together as co-Fire Marshals if FMB retires any time soon.

If "nobody" is disputing the fact that a fire-related hazard existed due to this tank, I'm not sure why people are pasting links to draw the comparison that a death from an exploding LP tank on Saturday was less likely than someone getting killed by lightning. That feels like "somebody" is downplaying the risk as identified by FMB.

In regards to whether or not the 15-month ban should remain or not, I think it was Mike who pointed out the value that such a severe consequence delivers in the form of self-policing within each organization. Knowing that a screwup on a rule like this not only ruins this raceday but all of next year, a team is more likely to keep a closer eye on potential violations from within their own ranks.

I think this discussion is pretty helpful (well, maybe 5 of the posts). It seems like a very good idea for teams to seek the approval/advice of FMB before doing anything with combustible materials on raceday or truck weekend. Primarily because they don't want to see anyone hurt, but also to avoid an unfortunate and avoidable DQ.

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Re: Judge's Opinion, Raceday 2010

Postby Jmohin » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:05 pm

This is getting really, really old.

LP tank was a poor choice. (....I'm in a metal truck of emotion!!!)

Based on the amount of electricity going into that truck and heat coming off it, dry tinder would have been just as much of a risk.

The decision is final. (notice how it's wednesday already?)

SDC handled with class and I hope they'll be back next year for us to beat. (Buggy Alum forum challenge: make this sound reasonable! $5 and a high five to the winner).


Did anyone snap some good pics of Peregrine? I need a new desktop background. Get out those SD cards and upload!! There's like 8 pictures of finals and it's bugging me. No pun intended.


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